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== Getting there == | == Getting there == | ||
Thieves' Town has some convenient ways in from the | Thieves' Town has some convenient ways in from the [[Light World]] that do not require the [[Moon Pearl]]. | ||
With a bottle, you can perform a [[subtile YBA]] in the interior door of the | With a [[bottle]], you can perform a [[subtile YBA]] in the interior door of the [[Secret Passage]] where your [[Uncle]] was, to reach the TT basement in [[cave state]]. The door you need to perform the YBA in is deep, so you won't be able to see yourself in it. | ||
If you have the Master Sword or better, it will have one stationary pixel at its tip that you can see in the wall when holding it out sideways, and you can make sure that this pixel is at the edge of the 2px black border. With the | If you have the [[Master Sword]] or better, it will have one stationary pixel at its tip that you can see in the wall when holding it out sideways, and you can make sure that this pixel is at the edge of the 2px black border. With the [[Fighters' Sword]], you need to infer your position from the moving sparkles as you hold out your sword -- the topmost pixel that can sparkle should spend a fair amount of time sparkling. | ||
<gallery widths=256px heights=224px> | <gallery widths=256px heights=224px> | ||
yba-to-thieves-town-setup.png|The stationary pixel at the tip of the Master Sword is on the highest possible pixel. | yba-to-thieves-town-setup.png|The stationary pixel at the tip of the [[Master Sword]] is on the highest possible pixel. | ||
yba-to-thieves-town-result.png|Drink a | yba-to-thieves-town-result.png|Drink a [[Red Potion|Red]] or [[Green Potion]] at the moment you enter the door transition to reach this room of [[Thieves' Town]]. | ||
</gallery> | </gallery> | ||
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The back of the big key door acts as a small key door, so if you came from another dungeon (such as {{nl|Desert Palace}}), remember that unlocking that door will use up a key. | The back of the big key door acts as a small key door, so if you came from another dungeon (such as {{nl|Desert Palace}}), remember that unlocking that door will use up a key. | ||
If you reached | If you reached [[Thieves' Town]] from the [[Light World]], it can be useful to walk out the front door to reach the [[Village of Outcasts]] in the [[Fake Dark World]]. | ||
== Where you can go == | == Where you can go == | ||
=== Clip to Desert Palace === | === Clip to [[Desert Palace]] === | ||
You can clip out of bounds in this corner of the Thieves' Town attic to enter {{nl|Desert Palace}}. Clip into the wall to reach a down-teleport position (I used a [[Citrus Clip]], but there's probably a bomb setup), and buffer down+left. | You can clip out of bounds in this corner of the [[Thieves' Town]] attic to enter {{nl|Desert Palace}}. Clip into the wall to reach a down-teleport position (I used a [[Citrus Clip]], but there's probably a bomb setup), and buffer down+left. | ||
This clip is allowed in [[Major Glitch]]es logic, and it may be the first access to {{nl|Desert Palace}} in a glitched inverted seed. | This clip is allowed in [[Major Glitch]]es logic, and it may be the first access to {{nl|Desert Palace}} in a glitched inverted seed. | ||
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=== YBA to Eastern Palace === | === YBA to Eastern Palace === | ||
A [[subtile YBA]] can take you to the dark room with a key in Eastern Palace. | A [[subtile YBA]] can take you to the dark room with a key in [[Eastern Palace]]. | ||
After performing the YBA, back out of the door exactly 2 or 3 pixels to fix the camera, then go through the door. | After performing the YBA, back out of the door exactly 2 or 3 pixels to fix the camera, then go through the door. | ||
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<gallery widths=256px heights=224px> | <gallery widths=256px heights=224px> | ||
tt-to-ep-1.png|Go as far left as you can in this door. Using the Link sprite, you should see only one pixel of outline of his hat. | tt-to-ep-1.png|Go as far left as you can in this door. Using the Link sprite, you should see only one pixel of outline of his hat. | ||
tt-to-ep-2.png|Drink a | tt-to-ep-2.png|Drink a [[Red Potion|Red]] or [[Green Potion]] at the moment you go left, to perform a YBA. | ||
tt-to-ep-3.png|Carefully move 2 or 3 pixels right. The speckles on the outer wall can help you tell how far you've moved. | tt-to-ep-3.png|Carefully move 2 or 3 pixels right. The speckles on the outer wall can help you tell how far you've moved. | ||
tt-to-ep-4.png|Go left through the door to reach this Eastern Palace room. | tt-to-ep-4.png|Go left through the door to reach this [[Eastern Palace]] room. | ||
</gallery> | </gallery> | ||
If you back out less than 2 pixels, you will screen-wrap inside Thieves' Town. If you back out more than 3 pixels, you'll be in Eastern Palace with a broken camera, and won't be able to navigate the dungeon. | If you back out less than 2 pixels, you will screen-wrap inside [[Thieves' Town]]. If you back out more than 3 pixels, you'll be in [[Eastern Palace]] with a broken camera, and won't be able to navigate the dungeon. | ||
[[Image:tt-to-ep-yba.png|frame|none|The path of the YBA from Thieves' Town to Eastern Palace]] | [[Image:tt-to-ep-yba.png|frame|none|The path of the YBA from [[Thieves' Town]] to [[Eastern Palace]]]] | ||
=== YBA to Swamp Palace === | === YBA to Swamp Palace === | ||
A north [[subtile YBA]] can take you to the left side of Swamp Palace. Unless you already have entered Swamp Palace, the water will not be up but you could YBA to the main hub. | A north [[subtile YBA]] can take you to the left side of [[Swamp Palace]]. Unless you already have entered Swamp Palace, the water will not be up but you could YBA to the main hub. | ||
If you are entering from uncle (which is another north YBA and will have cave state) the crystal switcher will be in the position to access the big key chest in Swamp (as in the image), but if you have arrive to the basement of Thieves' Town as usual, the crystal switcher is in the wrong position but you can enter the second water level room without using a key (the reverse of the image). | If you are entering from uncle (which is another north YBA and will have cave state) the crystal switcher will be in the position to access the big key chest in Swamp (as in the image), but if you have arrive to the basement of Thieves' Town as usual, the crystal switcher is in the wrong position but you can enter the second water level room without using a key (the reverse of the image). | ||
[[Image:tt-to-sp-yba.png|frame|none|The path of the YBA from Thieves' Town to Swamp Palace]] | [[Image:tt-to-sp-yba.png|frame|none|The path of the YBA from [[Thieves' Town]] to [[Swamp Palace]]]] | ||
== Getting the crystal == | == Getting the crystal == | ||
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You may want to bring Blind to the boss room with the shining light and be able to leave the room afterward to continue your route, especially if you're in [[cave state]]. If you perform the [[LSD Blind]] glitch at the start of the fight, you'll be able to leave the room, including after defeating Blind and collecting the item. | You may want to bring Blind to the boss room with the shining light and be able to leave the room afterward to continue your route, especially if you're in [[cave state]]. If you perform the [[LSD Blind]] glitch at the start of the fight, you'll be able to leave the room, including after defeating Blind and collecting the item. | ||
In cave state, no dungeon prize will drop. You can leave and re-enter the room later in Thieves' Town state to collect the prize. | In cave state, no dungeon prize will drop. You can leave and re-enter the room later in [[Thieves' Town]] state to collect the prize. | ||
{{ALttP Guides: No Logic}} | {{ALttP Guides: No Logic}} | ||
Revision as of 02:29, 18 April 2022
Getting there
Thieves' Town has some convenient ways in from the Light World that do not require the Moon Pearl.
With a bottle, you can perform a subtile YBA in the interior door of the Secret Passage where your Uncle was, to reach the TT basement in cave state. The door you need to perform the YBA in is deep, so you won't be able to see yourself in it.
If you have the Master Sword or better, it will have one stationary pixel at its tip that you can see in the wall when holding it out sideways, and you can make sure that this pixel is at the edge of the 2px black border. With the Fighters' Sword, you need to infer your position from the moving sparkles as you hold out your sword -- the topmost pixel that can sparkle should spend a fair amount of time sparkling.
The stationary pixel at the tip of the Master Sword is on the highest possible pixel.
Drink a Red or Green Potion at the moment you enter the door transition to reach this room of Thieves' Town.
Getting around
The only barrier to progress you might face is the big key door. If you use the YBA above to enter in cave state, you can freely unlock that door from the back.
The back of the big key door acts as a small key door, so if you came from another dungeon (such as Desert Palace (NL)), remember that unlocking that door will use up a key.
If you reached Thieves' Town from the Light World, it can be useful to walk out the front door to reach the Village of Outcasts in the Fake Dark World.
Where you can go
Clip to Desert Palace
You can clip out of bounds in this corner of the Thieves' Town attic to enter Desert Palace (NL). Clip into the wall to reach a down-teleport position (I used a Citrus Clip, but there's probably a bomb setup), and buffer down+left.
This clip is allowed in Major Glitches logic, and it may be the first access to Desert Palace (NL) in a glitched inverted seed.
The position from which you can down-teleport.
Press down+left simultaneously to enter Desert Palace (NL).
YBA to Eastern Palace
A subtile YBA can take you to the dark room with a key in Eastern Palace.
After performing the YBA, back out of the door exactly 2 or 3 pixels to fix the camera, then go through the door.
Go as far left as you can in this door. Using the Link sprite, you should see only one pixel of outline of his hat.
Drink a Red or Green Potion at the moment you go left, to perform a YBA.
Carefully move 2 or 3 pixels right. The speckles on the outer wall can help you tell how far you've moved.
Go left through the door to reach this Eastern Palace room.
If you back out less than 2 pixels, you will screen-wrap inside Thieves' Town. If you back out more than 3 pixels, you'll be in Eastern Palace with a broken camera, and won't be able to navigate the dungeon.
YBA to Swamp Palace
A north subtile YBA can take you to the left side of Swamp Palace. Unless you already have entered Swamp Palace, the water will not be up but you could YBA to the main hub.
If you are entering from uncle (which is another north YBA and will have cave state) the crystal switcher will be in the position to access the big key chest in Swamp (as in the image), but if you have arrive to the basement of Thieves' Town as usual, the crystal switcher is in the wrong position but you can enter the second water level room without using a key (the reverse of the image).
Getting the crystal
You may want to bring Blind to the boss room with the shining light and be able to leave the room afterward to continue your route, especially if you're in cave state. If you perform the LSD Blind glitch at the start of the fight, you'll be able to leave the room, including after defeating Blind and collecting the item.
In cave state, no dungeon prize will drop. You can leave and re-enter the room later in Thieves' Town state to collect the prize.